By Brandon Moseley
Alabama Political Reporter
On Tuesday, February 25, 2014, the Alabama House of Representatives passed House Bill 141 which would make it lawful for veterinarians to work for non-profit spay and neuter clinic to operate legally in Alabama. HB 141 was sponsored by Representative Patricia Todd (D) from Birmingham. Alabama has four spay/neuter clinics and this bill (if passed) would allow them to remain open.
Rep. Todd said that this is the third time she has carried this legislation to the Alabama House of Representatives.
“This is the exact same bill we passed last year…” but if failed to pass out of the Alabama Senate.
Todd said that this bill would amend the current Alabama Practicing Veterinarians Act to allow a veterinarian to work in a clinic not owned by a veterinarian. The veterinarian would have managing authority, there are restrictions on how long and animal can stay on the premises to just 36 hours, but normally this would be same day service. The clinics would have to abide by the same standards as other veterinarians.
Todd said that veterinarians are restricted to where they can practice in Alabama. Doctors, dentists, attorneys can work for non-professionals, while legally veterinarians can not.
Represenative Mac Buttram (R) from Cullman said that he found puppies dumped at his parent’s old house. He found in Marion County there is a shelter and gave them a donation for taking them. They have arrangements with societies in the Northeast to take Alabama’s surplus puppies. “I know this is a problem.” “I don’t know that this is the best way. We need more safeguards on what these clinics do.”
Rep. Buttram said that has been going on web sites, “One of them, either Dothan or Mobile, are still trimming toe nails, testing for heartworm and doing bloodwork, which is closer and closer to what is done at a full service veterinary clinic.”
Rep. Todd said, “They can’t do that if this bill passes.”
Rep. Buttram said that if this passes then, “Next year they will be working on expanding it.”
Rep. Todd said that the spay and neuter clinics, “…have no interest in expanding the practice because they do not make money. They don’t want to expand their practice and I would not support expanding their practice.”
Todd said the pet overpopulation, “…is a Huge problem, especially in major urban areas. Go to Every dumpster and you will see lots of cats.” Todd said that she would use her regular veterinarian for her animals, but the spay and neuter clinics, “…if I have a feral animal I need to have spayed and released.”
Rep. Buttram said, “I find that veterinarians are very willing to work with individuals as well as humane societies,” on spaying and neuter services.
Rep. Todd said, “The more options to spay and neuter the better.” Todd said that there is also an economic issue. “Every county has to have a shelter for these animals. We euthanize thousands of animals each year, particularly cats.” The clinics just want to do spay and neuter, which would keep the government from having to pay to put down so many animals.
Rep. David Standridge from Blount County said, “I am an animal lover. I grew up on a farm have always had animals and as a county commissioner have worked on this problem…I have been contacted over and over again by veterinarians about this piece of legislation. Why?”
Rep. Todd said, “I wish I could tell you that.” Todd said that many of the vets who are opposed to her bill have been given misleading information and a lot of veterinarians support this bill.
Rep. Standridge said, “When an animal issue comes up, I go to veterinarians.”
Todd said, “Don’t we believe in free markets? Maybe they (veterinarians) need to reduce the cost of their spay neuter services.”
Rep. Standridge said, “One thing I do feel strongly about is supporting our small businesses.”
Todd said, “Lawyers work for non-profits and so do dentists. Why not veterinarians?”
Standridge said, “I hope that we are not creating a non-profit that will compete with small businesses.”
Todd said that she does not expect a proliferation of non-profit spay and neuter clinics.
Rep. Standridge said, “The veterinarians that have talked to me don’t have a problem with spay neuter clinics,” but they favor alternative legislation.
Todd said, “It would be nice if they would bring that alternative to me.” Todd said that her bill, “…Is very specific. They(the non-profit spay and neuter clinics) can only spay, neuter, flea and parasite treatment.”
Rep. Standridge asked, “Are they (the non-profit spay and neuter clinics) complying with the practice act right now? Isn’t it true that there are formal procedures going on right now?” Standridge said that there are 12 charges and 17 sub-charges leveled against the spay and neuter clinics for a wide variety of offenses. Some are administrative. Some are standard of care. Some are even fraudulent.
Rep. Standridge said that every one of the veterinarians he has talked to on this say that they have had clients that had problems with the clinics.
Rep. Sanderford (R) from Decatur said, “I speak very much in favor of this bill.” Sanderford said on Thursday our mayor is going to give their clinic a commendation. Before the spay and neuter clinic opened in Decatur the city was euthanizing about 7600 animals a year. That has dropped to just 4400 a year. There are only four of these clinics around the State.
Rep. Sanderford said, “What our clinic does is they do the rabies shot, do the surgery, and they move it on.” Spaying a dog at a vet clinic can costs $400. “The spay and neuter clinic will do that for about $65.” Sanderfood said that spay and neuter clinics are a tremendous service to the State of Alabama and the amount of money they save local government is substantial.
Rep. Dan Williams (R) from Limestone Count asked, “Why are these shelters opening if they don’t make money?” Rep. Williams said, “Somebody makes money off of everything. My concern about the bill is that somebody makes money off of it and you are weakening the law.”
Rep. Todd said, “Donors give money to the non-profit. Nonprofits do not make money.”
Rep. Williams introduced a tabling motion to move the legislation to be carried over for discussion on another day. The tabling motion failed.
Rep. Jim McClendon (R) from Springville said, “Right now they (the four spay and neuter clinics) should be under the jurisdiction of the board of veterinary medicine. They have not revoked those permits. Is there something you are not telling me Rep. Todd?”
Rep. Todd said, “No.”
Rep. McClendon asked, “Is there some litigation out there now?”
Rep. Todd replied, “I don’t know.”
McClendon said, “Normally we would let the Board of Veterinary Medicine regulate their profession.”
Rep. Mac Buttram said, “Veterinarians are independent businessmen and they tell me: ‘just give me a level playing field.’
Buttram proposed an amendment requiring means testing for the clients of spay and neuter clinics. There would be an exception for people participating in the feral cats program.
Rep. Todd said, “I am not for a means test on this. I use the clinic. I may pick up a dog and have it spayed or neutered.”
Buttram said that his amendment would limit the clients of the non-profit spay and neuter clinics to recipients of Medicaid, people receiving utilities assistance, college or junior college system students, veterans, active military, or feral cat program participants
Rep. Todd said, “I am opposed to a means test on this,” and made a motion that tabled the Buttram amendment.
The House voted to table discussion of the Buttram Amendment.
Rep. Standridge said the directors of the non-profit spay and neuter clinics oftem make between $95,000 to $125,000. “A lot of veterinarians don’t make that kind of salary themselves.”
Rep. Todd said, “We normally deregulate to encourage competition.” Todd said she believes that there is really a need for these clinics and asked the House to support the legislation.
The bill was opposed by several Alabama veterinarians who think the non-profit low cost spay/neuter services would provide too much competition for the veterinarians.
Rep. Todd told the legislators: Todd said, “For every phone call you are getting from a veterinarian, there are hundreds of constituents supporting this bill.” Rep. Todd said that the spay neuter clinics can not expand their scope of service beyond what is spelled out in this bill. Todd said that the clinics must contract with an existing veterinarian and they can not perform any veterinary services other than spaying and neutering, vaccinations, and flea treatments.
Todd said that Alabama euthanizes 160,000 animals a year and that does not count the animals walking around loose getting hit by a car some place. Members of the Alabama Veterinary Examiner’s Board are opposed to this legislation. They are an association charged with regulating and licensing veterinary practice. Spay and Neuter Clinics still have to be licensed and regulated by the Board.
House Bill 141 passed by the House. The bill now goes to the Senate where there is already opposition. In 2012 and 2013 Todd’s bill passed in the House but died in the Senate.
Governor announces $219,000 in grants for ALEA
A $168,975 grant will be used toward a federally mandated sexual offender registration and residency program, according to Gov. Kay Ivey’s office.
Gov. Kay Ivey on Thursday announced $219,764 in grants to the Alabama Law Enforcement Agency (ALEA) to bolster the state’s oversight of those convicted of sex offenses.
A $168,975 grant will be used toward a federally mandated sexual offender registration and residency program, according to Ivey’s office. Sexual offenders must register and report where they live after being convicted, and the funds will aid law enforcement officers in verifying those placed on the registry are meeting those requirements.
An additional $50,789 grant is to be used to transition to a more comprehensive crime reporting system by a federally mandated 2021 deadline, according to Ivey’s office.
The new system will provide more detail about crimes, including the type of weapons used and characteristics about the location of crime, such as if it occurred in a rural or urban area.
“Protecting communities from sexual predators and reporting accurate records of crime statistics are high priorities for all law enforcement in Alabama,” Ivey said in a statement. “I commend ALEA for its commitment to making sure it stays in compliance with federal laws and working to close cases on known offenders.”
The U.S. Department of Justice grants will be administered by the Alabama Department of Economic and Community Affairs (ADECA).
“ADECA joins Gov. Ivey in supporting ALEA’s efforts to protect our communities from sexual predators and to make it easier for law enforcement agencies to share vital information with each other,” the director of ADECA, Kenneth Boswell, said in a statement.
Opinion | Clorox, anyone?
There is no comprehensive plan on how to hold the upcoming legislative session safely — not even a rudimentary one.
In less than 100 days, the state Legislature will return to Montgomery for the 2021 Legislative Session. As of now, there is no comprehensive plan on how to hold the session safely — not even a rudimentary one.
But perhaps there is a reason to keep the statehouse shuttered as the Legislature seems to have forgotten the governing principles that the nation was built upon, and (hint, hint) it was never a slogan.
One individual at the Statehouse said that there would be a vaccine by February, so why worry about holding Session as usual. Perhaps this individual also believes that a disinfectant cure or a UV light remedy is right around the corner. News flash, as of press time, intravenous Clorox and lightbulb suppositories are still in phase one trials.
Pandemic humor aside, the surprising thing would be if the Legislature actually had a plan at all.
There have been rumors of a plan, even mentions of one, too, but nothing that would allow lawmakers, lobbyists and the public to realistically gather to conduct the peoples’ business in a relatively COVID-free environment.
We all want a miracle, but miracles are outside legislative purview, and while prayer is needed at the Statehouse, so is commonsense and a plan.
One plan in consideration is to limit the number of people who can enter the building. That’s a bad idea because the public has a right to witness government action and advocate for causes.
At the end of the truncated 2020 session, the Legislature curtailed the number of people in the Statehouse, which violates the law and good government spirit.
Lawmakers come to Montgomery to do the peoples’ business — at least that’s what they say at campaign events and pancake breakfasts. Of course, they don’t really conduct the people’s business in Montgomery. That’s just a figure of speech.
Legislators represent the people when they are running for office or giving chats at Rotary, but when most — not all — enter the Statehouse, they work for special interests.
Yes, some do care, and all are convinced they are doing a great job, but just like the plan to open the Statehouse safely on Feb. 3, it’s sadly an absurd pretense.
The majority of the Legislature consists of Republicans, who used to have a firm sense of what the party represented. While I hate to offend my many friends, the current party couldn’t find the most defining principles of traditional governance in our nation if you gave them a GPS and a flashlight.
Let me humbly run down a short list of things that should matter in no particular order.
For the list, I will turn to the 2006 book American Conservatism: An Encyclopedia: “Classical liberalism is the term used to designate the ideology advocating private property, an unhampered market economy, the rule of law, constitutional guarantees of freedom of religion and the press, and international peace based on free trade.”
Classical liberalism has nothing to do with modern liberalism and everything to do with our Republic’s founding. Classical liberalism underpins the Constitution’s foundation, Federalist Papers and the vast majority of the founding generation’s ideology, which created our nation’s governing structure.
Private property rights are fundamental to what Jefferson called the pursuit of happiness.
And guess what is an individual’s most precious piece of property? Their person. Yes, a person’s body and mind are an individual’s greatest possession. A person’s right to live freely with only a minimum amount of government intrusion is essential to happiness. The government’s job is not to tell us how to live, rather keep others from harming us, killing us or taking our stuff.
Every year Montgomery seems intent on an ever-expanding agenda to meddle in people’s private lives.
Real estate and other property is significant but can’t be thoroughly enjoyed if we are dead or in chains designed by the good intentions of the Legislature. Lawmakers are not to be the central planning committee for the soul.
The government should promote a relatively unhampered market economy. Tariffs anyone? Trade wars? No one wins a trade war. Everyone loses. Winning simply means the other side lost more or gives up. It’s like a bar fight. Nobody wins it because everyone gets beaten up — but one got it worse.
How about the rule of law? I hear it talked about a lot, but the law must be just for everyone. If the law is applied unequally, is it really the law?
We hear a lot about Second Amendment rights as if that’s the big one. But what about freedom of the press? Is that less important? As the nation’s second president John Adams said, “Without the pen of Paine, the sword of Washington would have been wielded in vain.”
The press is not the enemy of the people. Is there bias? Sometimes. Is there poor reporting? On occasion. But the real enemy are the politicians who defame or attempt to delegitimize the media for not supporting their political agenda. An AR-15 can be coercive but have a free county without a free press in impossible.
Freedom of religion is also paramount to our nation’s principles as free people have a right to worship without government interference or mandate. But believe me, some religious leaders would see a government-imposed religion as long as it’s the one they like. I often wonder, does religion require a strong man or strong faith? Today it’s hard to tell. Like all rights, if you take away the freedom to worship or not, and the whole system of liberty fails.
Last but not least, international peace based on free trade: If a nation is making money by trading with another country, it doesn’t have a good reason to bomb it. Likewise, the bounds of capital are generally stronger than political ideology. Money may not make the world go ’round, but a lack of it sure can unleash terrible conflict.
After this exercise in futility, I’ve decided I’m glad the Legislature doesn’t have a plan to open the 2021 session. Why bother? Because the very ideals that genuinely make life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness a reality are the ones at greatest risk of being trampled upon by the Legislature.
Opinion | A gruesome murder should point Montgomery in a new direction
The city didn’t arrive overnight at a place where 16-year-old girls are drinking smoothies after a gruesome murder, and the road out of it won’t be a short one either.
The facts of 17-year-old Luna Pantaleon’s death are hard to stomach. The Montgomery teen was beaten with a metal pole and left to drown in a ditch. Her face was so badly beaten, with so many facial fractures, that the exact cause of her death couldn’t immediately be identified.
Her alleged killers are three 16-year-old girls. They reportedly went to McDonald’s after the murder and had smoothies.
Those details were provided during a court hearing on Wednesday as reported by the Montgomery Advertiser. They are enough to cause you to pause while reading to take a deep breath. But these details are not the only ones that should get attention.
The testimony of a Montgomery police detective who investigated the crime, and who interviewed the three girls who have essentially admitted to the crime, provided other disturbing details that paint a picture of the lives of Montgomery’s underprivileged youth — lives filled with violence and firearms, with late-night fights and “hits” put out on houses by 10th graders.
This reality for many young people in Montgomery isn’t exactly a hidden secret.
I can’t tell you the number of homeless teenagers I spoke with or tried to help while in Montgomery. I can’t tell you the number of conversations I had with middle schoolers who were in gangs, and who spoke openly about carrying handguns and other semi-automatic weapons.
Don’t get me wrong. Montgomery is not the wild west, and every poor, Black person in the city isn’t part of a gang or spending their nights shooting at each other.
But there is a level of violence and bad behavior that is growing and taking root in many communities. And it is happening because too many young people in those communities see no other viable alternatives.
A never ending cycle of poverty and despair — a cycle that has lasted, in some cases, for multiple generations — has left them turning to other means of getting by, of finding love and acceptance, of finding guidance no matter how misguided that guidance might be.
And every bit of it can be traced back to one problem: education. Or, in Montgomery’s case, the lack of it.
Segregation was common in all of Alabama in the 1950s and ’60s, but few cities in America clung to it as tightly as Montgomery did. When the Brown v. Board decision came down, private schools in Montgomery started to pop up — at one point a record number of them. And as the population grew, so too did the cities and the school systems surrounding Montgomery.
In 2020, Montgomery’s private schools are more than 90 percent white. Montgomery’s public schools are more than 95 percent Black. Those numbers have not changed much over the years.
But even more problematic is that Montgomery’s public schools are also serving a disproportionate amount of low-income students. That most of the poor people in Montgomery happen to be Black is a simple byproduct of the racism that saw Black citizens denied work, denied decent business loans, denied home loans for certain areas and denied acceptance into most state universities.
And having a high number of low-income students means fewer resources, fewer involved parents and more students who struggle through no fault of their own, because working parents weren’t home to help with homework, or they don’t have internet service. It goes on and on and on.
Now, repeat those problems for a few generations. And, well, you get the idea.
Exacerbating the problem for Montgomery, though, is a screwed up funding structure that has left its schools funded at the state’s lowest allowable levels. There will be an opportunity for Montgomery residents to fix that during Tuesday’s election by voting to increase property tax rates in the county.
It is money that is desperately needed. But that money alone will not solve the issues. Because we’re way too far down the line at this point for a few dollars to fix what’s broken in Montgomery.
It’s going to take the entire community putting aside their differences and their finger-pointing and their hate and actually working towards solving the problems, instead of just constantly pointing them out. It’s going to require a bunch of people to stop believing that skin color somehow makes a child less worthy of a quality education or more likely to be a criminal.
Mayor Steven Reed and several others have done a remarkable job to this point bringing together groups of people who have historically opposed any tax increases for the schools. He’s going to have to build on that goodwill going forward.
Because while more money will certainly make a difference, it won’t put a parent in place. It won’t assure kids are getting quality medical care and mental health care. It won’t put food on the table at night or turn the broadband on.
There will need to be more education options opened up for adults. There will need to be more comprehensive options available in some communities. This will take time and money, and it won’t be easy.
But here’s the one thing I know: the overwhelming majority of people in this world, and in Montgomery, want to succeed. They want to take care of themselves and their children. They want their kids to receive a decent education. They want a good job and to pay their bills and sleep easy at night.
If you show them a pathway to such a life, they will take it.
The city didn’t arrive overnight at a place where 16-year-old girls are drinking smoothies after a gruesome murder, and the road out of it won’t be a short one either. But passing this tax increase, and the community-wide dedication to this cause that it represents, is a damn fine start.
Sen. Doug Jones addresses Auburn students
Republican Tommy Tuberville was also invited to participate, but declined.
Incumbent U.S. Sen. Doug Jones, D-Alabama, addressed Auburn University students at a forum on the university’s campus on Wednesday.
“I am a Democratic candidate, but I am an Alabama senator, and that is what I have tried to be since I have been here,” Jones said. “I promised I would work across the aisle.”
Jones said that he has sponsored 22 bipartisan bills that have been signed by President Donald Trump.
Jones and his Republican opponent, Tommy Tuberville, were both invited to address the Auburn College Democrats and the Auburn College Republicans in what the two college groups hoped would have been a debate between the two Senate candidates, but Tuberville declined to participate.
“I really appreciate the Auburn College Democrats and especially the Auburn College Republicans for inviting me,” Jones said. “I am disappointed that Tommy Tuberville is not here. I think it is important that people see two candidates side by side answering the same questions.”
Tonight was about the future, and from where I’m standing it looks incredibly bright. Thank you to the @AUCDems and @AuburnCR for such an incredible event. These students asked thoughtful and pointed questions. @TTuberville those war damn eagles would have given you some hell. pic.twitter.com/7yGAFH3FfU
— Doug Jones (@DougJones) October 29, 2020
“What you are seeing in the ads that are attacking me are simply not true,” Jones said.
Jones said that he does not support defunding the police, taking guns from Americans who like to hunt, and he does not favor abortion all the way to the point of birth.
“I have been a strong advocate for our military,” Jones said. “I have been a strong advocate for farmers. Even though I do not serve on the Agriculture Committee, I have done more for Alabama farmers than any senator has done since Howell Heflin, who was on the Agriculture Committee.”
The students asked Jones what he thought his greatest accomplishment in the Senate was.
“That would be ending the Military Widow’s Tax,” Jones said.
Jones explained that the Military Widows tax only affects about 2,000 people In Alabama, but it is a big deal for those military families. When a serviceman is killed, the Pentagon pays a stipend to the surviving spouse. Many soldiers also purchased insurance for the possibility that they would not survive their service.
Instead of paying both the survivor’s benefit and the insurance benefit, the VA previously subtracted the insurance benefit from the VA death stipend. The widows were only getting about 55 cents on the dollar of what they had expected. Every year, the Gold Star wives came to Washington and asked for that change in the law, and every year, Senators would pat them on the back and then choose finances over repealing the tax and doing what was right, Jones said.
For 27 years, the Gold Star widows had made this a priority and nothing got done. Jones did not know about this until he got to the Senate, but when he found out, he reached across the aisle and sponsored a bill with Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine to end the tax.
Eventually the bill had 82 co-sponsors, and it got passed.
“It is not the voting rights act, it is not the civil rights act, but for those widows, it meant $1,200 a month,” Jones said.
The students also asked Jones what his greatest mistake was.
“Voting for Bill Barr,” Jones said on confirming William Barr as Trump’s attorney general. “I was so disappointed. I feel sorry for Jeff Sessions. I disagree with him on a number of policy issues, but I don’t think that he deserved the hits he was taking. I knew Bill Barr from his previous service. I thought he would be an independent voice, and he hasn’t.”
“I voted on the best information I had, and I was wrong on Barr,” Jones said. “I can defend every vote that I made. What I do in the United Senate is not about politics it is about service.”
Jones was asked if he favored ending the filibuster when Democrats win control of the Senate.
“No, I have too much respect for the Senate,” Jones said. “I don’t think Joe Biden will do that — at least he won’t start that way. He has too much respect for the history of the Senate as an institution. I want to try to get the Senate back to the way it was.”
The students asked if he favored the Democrats using their new power to adjust the number of judges on the Supreme Court.
“Nope,” Jones replied. “This goes back to the filibuster. We can’t start tearing down institutions because we don’t like some decision they make.”
Jones said that many Americans wanted to do the same thing when the court seemed to liberal with the Warren Court in the 1960s.
“Right now packing the court is not something I would be in favor of,” Jones added. “At the end of the day, you never know what is going to happen.”
“We always talk about I just want the courts to call balls and strikes, but it is not a baseball game,” Jones said. “Intelligent people disagree about the law and the rule of law.”
“The goal is to find common ground,” Jones said. “Frankly, Tommy Tuberville cannot do that. A football coach is trained to beat the other side — not work with them. On the radio, he calls them communists and socialists. I have two and a half years of working with them. He can’t do it. It is not about good and evil, and we need to stop thinking in those terms.”
The students asked if farmers should be given some relief from new regulations on the environment.
“I have been a huge proponent of agriculture,” Jones said. “The current USDA has been helping the biggest farmers and not Alabama farmers. The tariff wars hurt the Alabama farmer.”
“It is going to be a challenge to work it out,” Jones said. “It is in their best interests that we do something about the climate. I believe the science and so do farmers.”
Jones urged everyone to have faith in scientists.
“Trust them please,” Jones said. “One of the most frustrating things I see these days — and we see it in climate and I see it in the pandemic — is that we have got to trust our scientists.”
Jones said that is true of both the climate and the coronavirus pandemic.
“I have consistently said don’t believe what politicians say about this pandemic not unless they are repeating what the scientists say,” Jones said. “This next six months could very well be worse than the past six months.”
“We have got to trust them,” Jones said of the scientists. “If the doctors at the FDA approve the vaccine, I will trust the vaccine. We need to listen to the scientists at the FDA, the CDC, the NIH, at UAB, and what the companies say about the vaccine.”
Jones was asked what could be done to prevent Russia, China and Iran from interfering in our elections.
“We have the technology to do it, we have the will to do it, but we need an administration who will do it, and If you think I am knocking the Trump Administration, I am,” Jones said.
Jones was asked how we can move beyond partisanship.
“It is a lot more partisan outside of D.C. than in D.C.” Jones said. “People vote for partisanship. It is your vote that will change it. Your generation can change it. You need to tell your leaders that we want to hear issues, we want to hear politics.”
Jones said that he favored delisting marijuana from the banned drug list and making it legal for people with legal marijuana to cross state lines without going to jail for it. Jones was asked what we can do to fight the opioid crisis.
“We can’t prosecute your way out of it, though there is a role there with the prosecution of doctors for running pill mills,” Jones said. The civil lawsuits against drug manufacturers is a start, he said, and leaders need to be doing a better job of educating people. Mental healths should also be a priority, he said.
“There is a reason that people have to stand up and say ‘Black lives matter,’” Jones said, saying that too many Black people, particularly Black men, are killed by police.
On trade, Jones said that he is not an isolationist. “We (Alabama) need those foreign markets. We are an exporting state. We are the third largest exporter of automobiles in the country.”
Students asked Jones if he favored repealing the Patriot Act.
“I don’t think that is going to come up,” Jones said. “When it comes up for renewal, we will tweak it. I have had concerns about it, but at the end of the day that is something that we have to constantly monitor. We will not repeal it.”
Jones predicted that debate on health care will “dominate the next Congress.”
“I am very concerned about what we are going to do about health care if the ACA is declared unconstitutional,” Jones said, also reiterating his support for expanding Medicaid in Alabama. “The state made a huge mistake when it did not expand Medicaid,” he said. “I am not for Medicare for All, but I do think that there should be a public option.”
Jones was asked about the governor’s plan to lease and build three new so-called “mega-prisons.”
“The Trump administration really issued a scathing report on the state’s prisons, that really surprised me,” Jones said. “I don’t like privatizing the prisons or the post office. We had convict labor in this country for a long time, and it was horrible.”
Jones said solving the state’s prison problems requires money, and nobody wants to raise taxes. “Everybody wants to lock them up, but it costs money.”
The next president, whether it is Trump for a second term or his Democratic opponent, Joe Biden, is getting a $27.2 trillion debt plus a coronavirus stimulus package at the end of this month that may make it close to $30 trillion by inauguration. APR asked if there is going to be a plan put in place to prevent the national debt from surpassing $40 trillion by the end of this decade.
“We have got to get out of this crisis first,” Jones said. “George W. Bush spent trillions fighting wars without paying for them while cutting taxes, and this president has done the same thing, and now those tax cuts are coming home to roost.”
“I am not going to start looking at this until after the coronavirus crisis is over,” Jones said. “Part of the reason that revenues are down is because people are not working and paying taxes. If we don’t get this solved, we could end up owing $50 trillion.”
Due to coronavirus concerns and maintaining the proper social distancing, Wednesday’s event was limited to just five news reporters. Jones told reporters that he is running neck-in-neck with Tuberville approaching Tuesday’s election.
“I am not going to guarantee a win, and I am not going to guarantee that we are not going to win,” Jones said.
Polls open on Tuesday at 7 a.m. and close at 7 p.m. CST. You must have a valid photo ID in order to participate.