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Firearms Committee holds public hearing on a permit-less carry

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By Brandon Moseley
Alabama Political Reporter

Thursday, November 30, 2017, the Commission on 21st Century Firearms Laws met for the third time to review the state of Alabama’s laws on firearms and consider possible legislation in the 2018 regular legislative session.

In the last Legislative Session, state Sen. Gerald Allen, R-Tuscaloosa, introduced a bill that would give every adult Alabamian, who is allowed to possess firearms, the right to carry their firearms concealed without having to purchase a concealed carry permit from their county’s Sheriff Department.  The bill passed the Senate but was buried in a subcommittee of the House Homeland Security Committee. Allen has re-introduced his bill for the 2018 session as Senate Bill 3.

Committee Chairman state Rep. Allen Farley, R-McCalla, said, “The more people I talk to the more issues that I find.”

Farley distributed a 122 page document with information that the group has gathered on permit-less carry and Alabama’s gun laws to the press in attendance and interested groups.

It was reported to the Committee that currently Probate Judges in 18 of Alabama’s 67 counties are not sending updates on people that have been committed to the Alabama Law Enforcement Agency for them to be added to the list of people not allowed to purchase guns.  Two probate judges are refusing to send in that information.

The task force then heard from people who were there to comment on SB3.

Ann Leader said that she was from Auburn and is with the group Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America.  Leader said that the state has had a concealed carry permit requirement on the books since 1936.  “We ask this commission to not repeal.”  Leader said that in Arizona since they passed permit-less carry aggravated assaults with a firearm has increased 44 percent.  While murders may not have gone up both Alaska and Wyoming rank first and fourth for firearm deaths per capita.  You should not roll back the permit requirement.  Polling shows that Alabamians overwhelmingly support the permit requirement.  Alabama should require a background check on all sales.  Alabama has the third highest rate of overall firearm deaths (murder, accidents, and suicides).  54 percent of mass shooters have a history of domestic violence.  “We know that where there are more guns there are more gun deaths.”

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“We have Birmingham, Mobile and Montgomery,” Leader said. “Municipalities should be allowed to set their own gun laws.  What works for rural areas will not work for urban areas. We know that more guns leads to more gun deaths.”

Shelby County Sheriff John Samaniego said, “I am in opposition of the bill.  Currently, we have an opportunity to ‘vette’ every person carrying a permit.  We have a problem with mental health in this state.  From our call history we know who those people are.  The serious ones we report to our Probate judges.  The others we know and should be able to deny a concealed carry permit to.  I would like to stand on the record.  I have been talking to Rep. Farley and he has some interesting ideas.  I am not an anti-gun person but we have a duty to offer a quality of life to our citizens.”

Sheriff Samaniego said that his county gets $2.2 million a year toward the bettering of my officers from the sale of concealed carry permits.  That money is used to purchase equipment and pay for training of my officers.  I am able to partner with the County Commission to buy the cars.  This is public money that is audited every other year.  It allows for a good partnership between the county commission and the sheriff’s office.

NRA Representative Art Thomm said you mentioned that there are already laws on the books to keep those people from having guns; but there are already increased penalties when they are caught with a gun especially when they are committing a crime.

In each of the 12 states the twelves state that have passed permit-less carry the money has increased substantially from the sale of permits.  In Arizona revenues have tripled.  I would hope to have national reciprocity.  To have reciprocity you have to have a permit.  “I believe that if you should not have a gun you should not have a gun.”

Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America’s Jennifer Brooks said, “I am a resident of Auburn and a professor where I teach history.  I am here to speak against guns on campus.”

Brooks said the student population is indulgent in drinking and drug use and are not engaged in responsible behaviors.  Letting them carry guns on campus creates a situation of great fear.  I have had to call police to have a student move out of my office.  It took 15 minutes from them to come.  I called police twice on a colleague who was having a mental breakdown.  It took aiuthorities15 minutes to respond.  I have encountered no faculty who is in favor of this.  “I will not be able to meet with students in my office alone if this passes  I will have to meet in a public place where other people are around.”

The head of the Alabama Sheriffs Association Bobby Timmons said I have been head of the sheriff’s association for 43 years.  When I served in the legislature we passed a lot of good legislation.  The only way that we can continue to protect the people of Alabama is to keep the permit requirement.  The revenue bases are a very important thing for us. If the permit requirement has been repealed, it would have to be replaced with tax dollars.

Shanna Chamblee with Alabama Gun Rights asked if Timmons and the Sheriffs could support the legislation if they were able to replace the lost revenue

Timmoms said that they would consider that.

Chairman Allen Treadaway, R-Morris, said that police use the concealed carry permit requirement as a tool that we to find reasons to arrest people and ue that to learn more about a suspect.

Adam Vincent with Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America in Montgomery said, “My best friend took his own life in Huntington College here in Montgomery I don’t think we should be making this any easier.”

Coffee County Sheriff Dave Sutton said, “I am here for keeping the concealed carry permit because it is our first and last line of defense.”  “I am the incoming President of the Alabama Sheriff’s Association.  Guns are coming up from Florida.  Gun are going to Florida from Alabama.  A lot of guns are sold day and night out of the trunks of cars.  We have got to put sheriff’s discretion back into the law.  We have got to put some teeth back into that NICS check

“Put that discretion back in there so that I and the other 66 sheriffs have that ability to say you are not getting a gun permit today.”  “I have been shot twice and it is not a pleasant thing.”

“I am glad to see that head of the Alabama Sheriff’s Association, Bobby Timmons, seems willing to sit down and discuss potential legislative measures to make up for the association’s feared funding shortfall so that he may support Constitutional Carry,” Chamblee said.

“We recognize that many in attendance expressed fears regarding not only permitless Carry, but Carry in general; we believe that the facts bear out that as gun ownership has increased, crime has decreased.”

Chamblee told the Alabama Political Reporter, “The right to bear arms in Alabama is a Constitutionally protected Fundamental right subject to strict scrutiny. We dare defend our rights!  The work to pass Constitutional Carry in Alabama is not going away.”

Shanna Chamblee is the Deputy Director of Legislative Affairs Alabama Gun Rights Inc.

The National Rifle Association’s Art Thomm said, “With the head of the Alabama Sheriff’s Associations statement that he ‘may be in favor of the bill’ should they find other means of funding, it is CLEAR that this is about money. Money that forces Alabamians to pay for their rights”.

Farley said that the four permit-less states most similar to Alabama are: Missouri, West Virginia, Mississippi, and Kansas

The next meeting of the committee will be Thursday, Dec. 21.

The 2018 Alabama legislative session begins on Jan. 9, 2018.

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House passes General Fund Budget

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Alabama Political Reporter

The Alabama House of Representatives passed the state General Fund Budget on Tuesday.

The General Fund Budget for the 2019 fiscal year is Senate Bill 178. It is sponsored by Sen. Trip Pittman, R-Montrose. State Rep. Steve Clouse, R-Ozark, carried the budget on the House floor. Clouse chairs the House Ways and Means General Fund Committee.

Clouse said, “Last year we monetized the BP settlement money and held over $97 million to this year.”

Clouse said that the state is still trying to come up with a solution to the federal lawsuit over the state prisons. The Governor’s Office has made some progress after she took over from Gov. Robert Bentley. The supplemental we just passed added $30 million to prisons.

The budget adds $50 million to the Department of Corrections.

Clouse said that the budget increased the money for prisons by $55,680,000 and includes $4.8 million to buy the privately-owned prison facility in Perry County.

Clouse said that the budget raises funding for the judicial system and raises the appropriation for the Forensic Sciences to $11.7 million.

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The House passed a committee substitute so the Senate is either going to have to concur with the changes made by the House or a conference committee will have to be appointed. Clouse told reporters that he hoped that it did not have to go to conference.

Clouse said that the budget had added $860,000 to hire more Juvenile Probation Officers. After talking to officials with the court system that was cut in half in the amendment. The amendment also includes some wording the arbiters in the court lawsuit think we need.

The state General Fund Budget, SB178, passed 98-1.

Both budgets have now passed the Alabama House of Representatives.

The 2019 fiscal year begins on Oct. 1, 2018.

In addition to the SGF, the House also passed a supplemental appropriation for the current 2018 budget year. SB175 is also sponsored by Pittman and was carried by Clouse on the floor of the House.

SB175 includes $30 million in additional 2018 money for the Department of Corrections. The Departmental Emergency Fund, the Examiners of Public Accounts, the Insurance Department and Forensic Sciences received additional money.

Clouse said, “We knew dealing with the federal lawsuit was going to be expensive. We are adding $80 million to the Department of Corrections.”

State Representative Johnny Mack Morrow, R-Red Bay, said that state Department of Forensics was cut from $14 million to $9 million. “Why are we adding money for DA and courts if we don’t have money for forensics to provide evidence? if there is any agency in law enforcement or the court system that should be funded it is Forensics.”

The supplemental 2018 appropriation passed 80 to 1.

The House also passed SB203. It was sponsored by Pittman and was carried in the House by State Rep. Ken Johnson, R-Moulton. It raises securities and registration fees for agents and investment advisors. It increases the filing fees for certain management investment companies. Johnson said that those fees had not been adjusted since 2009.

The House also passed SB176, which is an annual appropriation for the Coalition Against Domestic Violence. The bill requires that the agency have an operations plan, audited financial statement, and quarterly and end of year reports. SB176 is sponsored by Pittman and was carried on the House floor by State Rep. Elaine Beech, D-Chatham.

The House passed Senate Bill 185 which gives state employees a cost of living increase in the 2019 budget beginning on October 1. It was sponsored by Sen. Clyde Chambliss, R-Prattville and was being carried on the House floor by state Rep. Dimitri Polizos, R-Montgomery.

Polizos said that this was the first raise for non-education state employees in nine years. It is a 3 percent raise.

SB185 passed 101-0.

Senate Bill 215 gives retired state employees a one time bonus check. SB215 is sponsored by Senator Gerald Dial, R-Lineville, and was carried on the House floor by state Rep. Kerry Rich, R-Guntersville.

Rich said that retired employees will get a bonus $1  for every month that they worked for the state. For employees who retired with 25 years of service that will be a $300 one time bonus. A 20-year retiree would get $240 and a 35-year employee would get $420.

SB215 passed the House 87-0.

The House passed Senate Bill 231, which is the appropriation bill increase amount to the Emergency Forest Fire and Insect and Disease Fund. SB231 is sponsored by Sen. Steve Livingston, R-Scottsboro, and was carried on the House floor by state Rep. Kyle South, R-Fayette.

State Rep. Elaine Beech, D-Chathom, said, “Thank you for bringing this bill my district is full of trees and you never know when a forest fire will hit.

SB231 passed 87-2.

The state of Alabama is unique among the states in that most of the money is earmarked for specific purposes allowing the Legislature little year-to-year flexibility in moving funds around.

The SGF includes appropriations for the Alabama Medicaid Agency, the courts, the Alabama Law Enforcement Agency, the Alabama Department of Corrections, mental health, and most state agencies that are no education related. The Alabama Department of Transportation gets their funding mostly from state fuel taxes.

The Legislature also gives ALEA a portion of the gas taxes. K-12 education, the two year college system, and all the universities get their state support from the education trust fund (ETF) budget. There are also billions of dollars in revenue that are earmarked for a variety of purposes that does not show up in the SGF or ETF budgets.

Examples of that include the Public Service Commission, which collects utility taxes from the industries that it regulates. The PSC is supported entirely by its own revenue streams and contributes $13 million to the SGF. The Secretary of State’s Office is entirely funded by its corporate filing and other fees and gets no SGF appropriation.

Clouse warned reporters that part of the reason this budget had so much money was due to the BP oil spill settlement that provided money for the 2018 budget and $97 million for the 2019 budget. Clouse said they elected to make a $13 million repayment to the Alabama Trust fund that was not due until 2020 but that is all that was held over for 2020.

Clouse predicted that the Legislature will have to make some hard decisions about revenue in next year’s session.

 

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Day Care bill delayed for second time on Senate floor, may be back Thursday

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Alabama Political Reporter

The day care bill, which would license certain day care centers in Alabama, was once again delayed on the state Senate floor after one lawmaker requested more information.

Its brief appearance Tuesday ended with state Sen. Gerald Dial, R-Lineville, saying a compromise had not yet been worked out with the bill’s detractors.

Alabama’s Senate has been hesitant to act on the legislation because of complaints of state Sen. Shay Shelnutt, R-Trussville, who has been an opponent of the bill since its introduction last year. The bill’s delay on Tuesday marks the second time its been taken off the Senate’s agenda.

The bill has had a rocky time in this year’s session, but the bill’s sponsor state Rep. Pebblin Warren, D-Tuskegee, said she is still confident about its passage out of the Legislature.

Warren, D-Tuskegee, filed the bill this session with the support of influential lawmakers including Gov. Kay Ivey, who told reporters last year that she though all day cares should be licensed.

Mainly sparked by the death of 5-year-old boy in the care of a unlicensed day care worker, the bill had great momentum coming into this year’ session.

Despite the growing support from lawmakers, Religious groups had concerns that the bill would increase state-sponsored reach into religious day cares in churches and non-profit groups.

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Spearheading the dissenters was Alabama Citizens Action Program, a conservative religious-based PAC.

Warren, proponents, and ALCAP announced a compromise to the bill while it was still in the Alabama House.

Announced by ALCAP originally, the new bill was a weaker version in that it did not require that all day cares in the state be regulated. Instead, religious-based day cares would only need to be registered if they received federal funds. At a Senate committee meeting in February, Warren said a similar requirement was about to come from federal law in Congress.

The bill moved through the House in a overwhelming vote in favor of the proposal and passed unanimously out of a Senate committee a few weeks ago.

Warren, speaking to reporters after its passage from the House, said she was unsure if the bill would encounter resistance in the upper chamber.

It was the Senate that killed the daycare bill last year amid a cramped last day where senators took the bill off the floor. The bill may face similar complications this year, as lawmakers seem to be preparing to adjourn within a few weeks.

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Fantasy sports bill fails on Senate floor

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Alabama Political Reporter

Would-be Fantasy Sports players in Alabama will have to wait to legally play in the state following a Senate vote on Tuesday.

The Alabama Senate decisively killed a bill to exempt fantasy sports from the state’s prohibition on gambling.

Not even entertaining a debate on the Senate floor, the proposal was killed during a vote for the Budget Isolation Resolution, which is usually a formality vote preluding a debate.

Fantasy sports are contests where participants select players from real teams to compete on fantasy teams using the real-world players’ stats.

Since 2016, the practice has been illegal in Alabama following a legal decision by the Attorney General’s Office that categorized it as gambling.

The bill’s sponsor, state Sen. Paul Sanford, R-Huntsville, predicted the bill’s failure during a committee meeting two weeks ago, where the bill passed unanimously.

Sen. Paul Sanford speaks to reporters after a Senate Committee meeting on Feb. 28, 2018. (Samuel Mattison/APR)

Speaking to reporter’s after the committee meeting, Sanford said the decision to file the bill was mainly a philosophical belief that the practice shouldn’t be illegal.

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Sanford, a fantasy sports player before its ban, said that fantasy sports are a way to bring people closer together and not a means to win money. The Huntsville senator is not seeking re-election.

The bill’s failure in the Senate follows its trajectory last year too. A similar version of the bill, also sponsored by Sanford, failed in the Senate during the final days of the 2017 Legislative Session.

Since Sanford is retiring, it is unclear if the bill will even come back next session, or if it will even have a Senate sponsor.

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House OKs bill to clarify consulting contracts by state legislators

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Alabama Political Reporter

Tuesday, the Alabama House of Representatives passed a bill to try to clarify how legislators accept consulting contracts under Alabama’s 2010 ethics law. Some pundits have suggested that House Bill 387 is actually designed to weaken the existing ethics law.

Sponsor state Rep. Rich Wingo, R-Tuscaloosa, argues that the legislation is merely a clarification and is intended to prevent legislators from inadvertently crossing the line into illegality.

Wingo said that his bill would require legislators to notify the Alabama Ethics Commission that they have entered into a consulting agreement in an area outside of their normal scope of work.

State Rep. Paul Beckman, R-Prattville, said, “I have never understood why members of this body were allowed to take contracts as consultants or counselors.”

Wingo said, “Never do I use the word counselor in my bill; it is consulting.”

Beckman asked, “Are we going to be getting into an area where  every time we turn around we create a bureaucratic nightmare where we have to go get an opinion. These opinions whether it is orally or written don’t hold up in a court of law.” Beckman said, “We are serving the people here but we get this admonition that we can still be a consultant if we get an opinion.”

Wingo said, “This does not apply to professions where a member is currently licensed.”

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Beckman said, “I would like to see more opinions coming out of the Ethics Commission. Right now we have the Ethics Commission competing with the Attorney General’s office over who has more authority.”

State Rep. John Rogers, D-Birmingham, said,”This happened to a friend of mine. He just got out of prison. He was a state senator and had a written letter from the Ethics Commission which his lawyer read at trial and the jury convicted him anyway.”

Rogers never named his friend, but reporters think he was talking about former state Sen. Edward Browning ‘E. B.’ McClain who spent over 22 years in the legislature until he was convicted on 47 counts of conspiracy, mail fraud, bribery, and money laundry in 2009.

A federal jury found that McClain and the Rev. Samuel Pettagrue were guilty in a scheme where McClain would secure public funds for Pettagrue’s community programs and then receive a kickback once the funds were in hand. McClain was sentenced to five years and ten months in prison. McClain was not prosecuted under the Alabama ethics law as the state has a much weaker ethics statute then. The current ethics law was passed in 2010.

Rogers said, “If they offer me a consulting contract for a field like aerospace engineering that I know nothing about they are trying to pay me off. If you can already be a consultant for something you know about why would you seek a consulting contract for something you don’t know about.

Rogers this is how they can pay you off for your vote.”

State Rep. Artis “A.J.” McCampbell said, “I don’t like making changes to things like this because we get into things called unintended consequences.”

McCampbell was reading from the bill and Wingo said, “You are reading from the original version it has completely changed.” “We worked tirelessly on this bill with the Ethics Commission this is not a fly by night bill.”

“If a member of the legislature enters into a contract to do a consulting contract outside of their normal field of work this bill requires that they consult with the Ethics Commission first,” Wingo said. “It is up to the member to notify the Ethics Commission not to the company or person offering them the money.”

State Representative Pebblin Warren, D-Tuskegee, said, “Everybody but legislators are allowed to do contract work up to $30,000.”

Rep. Wingo said, “This is not intended to be a roadblock.”

State Representative Arnold Mooney, R-Indian Springs, said, “The whole purpose of this is not to prevent members from doing work in your field.” “What you are doing is offering to protect me.”

State Representative John Knight, D-Montgomery, asked Wingo what the Alabama Attorney General said about this legislation.

Wingo replied, “I have not contacted the Attorney General.”

Knight responded, “Something from the Ethics Commission does not carry a lot of protection from the Attorney General. We have seen that in the past. I think the Attorney General and the Ethics Commission should be in agreement in the working on this.”

Wingo answered, “Maybe this is a first step.”

Rep. Laura Hall, D-Huntsville, asked, “Do we have anybody doing work outside of their regular scope of work?”

Wingo answered, “Yes I think so.”

Wingo said, “If we had had this bill four or five years ago maybe we could have been spared the embarrassment that this body experienced with the former Speaker.”

Wingo was referring to former Speaker of the House Mike Hubbard who was convicted of 12 counts of felony ethics violations in June 2016. Ironically, Hubbard is largely responsible for creating the ethics law that he was found guilty of violating 11 times in his relentless pursuit of outside contracts and personal wealth.

Unlike McClain, however, Hubbard has not yet served any of this sentence.

House Bill 387 passed 67-0 with 26 legislators abstaining.

The bill now moves to the Senate for its consideration.

(Original reporting by the Alabama Media Group’s Lisa Osborn in 2009 was consulted in this report.)

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