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House passes church security team bill

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By Brandon Moseley
Alabama Politcal Reporter

Tuesday, April 4, 2017, the Alabama House of Representatives passed House Bill 36, which (in its present form) extends stand your ground protection to church security teams.

HB36 was sponsored by State Representative Lynn Greer (R-Rogersville). Greer said that he was asked to bring this bill by a number of church pastors.

Rep. Greer said, “I never thought in my lifetime we would be talking about guns in our church, but we live in a perilous world. There are a lot of terrorists in the world today.”

Rep. Greer said that churches are forming security teams and that his bill would give members of those teams some civil immunity if they are forced to use their weapons in defense of themselves and their fellow church members.

State Representative Juandalynn Givan (D-Birmingham) said, “I think this is a good bill. I have talked to pastors in Birmingham that say they need this. “I did not think I would ever rise in support of a Greer bill, but the Lord moves in mysterious ways.”


Rep. Greer said that he likes the substitute version of his bill over the original version. This would extend the stand your ground bill to includes churches. Various churches have groups that are forming a security force that has pistol permits and receives training from police and sheriffs’ offices that they hope that you never need to use it.

State Representative John Rogers (D-Birmingham) said that open carry is legal in Alabama. I can carry a gun to church anyway. Everybody has a gun in my church after that killing in South Carolina.”

Rep. Greer said that he spoke with a retired sheriff’s deputy who said that he never took his gun to church in his whole career; but began carrying it in church two years ago and now would never come to church without it.

Rep. Rogers said that if just one of those people in that church in Charleston had had a gun they could have prevented it.

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State Representative James Buskey (D-Mobile) asked if members of a church security force would they have the same training and certification that a policeman would have to go through.

Greer said that many large Churches hire off-duty law enforcement officers to provide security but not all Churches can afford to do that. Greer said that the first version of his bill required that members of the Church security team receive APOST training from the Alabama Peace Officers Training Commission; but the Commission came before the committee and said that they did not want to participate. Greer said that Church Security teams are going to have training but it is not required. There is training going on now; but it is being provided by the Sheriffs and local police departments.

Rep. Buskey asked, “If they are not going to go through that training why would they have immunity?”

Rep. Greer said, “You don’t have to have APOST training to defend yourself your home and your family.”

State Representative Barbara Boyd (D-Anniston) asked, “Did you run this by the Chief of staff of APOST?”

Rep. Greer said, “He came to the committee and said that APOST wanted nothing to do with training.” They did not have the manpower or the resources to provide this training.

Rep. Boyd said, “I support what you are saying. It is hard to support bringing guns to church but in view of what is happening…..”

Rep. Thomas Jackson (D-Thomasville) asked, “Have you consulted the head of the church in this? Carrying a gun in the House of God. What would He say?”

Rep. Greer said, “The head of the church is God Almighty. I think He would approve of this.”

Rep. Jackson said, “We are desecrating the house of the Lord by bringing guns to His house. When it is your time to go you can have guns. You can have armed guards, but when it is your time you leave. “We have brought carnality to the House of the Lord.”

State Representative Dickie Drake (R-Leeds) said, “I am in charge of security at our Church.” “What required training is in your bill?”

Rep. Greer said, “None.” “We are giving you some immunity.”

Rep. Drake said, “I support the bill.”

State Representative Art Mooney (R-Indian Springs) said, “I rise in support of your bill.”

Look at the internet and look at attacks on churches in the United States. It is amazing to look at the threats of attacks on churches. There were bombing threats in Birmingham on Jewish Community Centers. “We are at a point in our world where we are no longer safe anywhere.”

State Representative Berry Forte (D-Eufaula) said, “I am scared of guns I accidentally shot another boy when I was 9. We was hunting. I accidentally shot him hunting. He has lived over 70 years and still has a bullet in his back. We got guns everywhere in Alabama. It ain’t going to stop the fighting.”

State Representative Artis “AJ” McCampbell (D-Livingston) asked if this would also apply to an Islamic temple.
Rep. Greer answered, “If somebody walked into an Islamic temple and started shooting, if they shot you back they would be immune.”

Rep. McCampbell said, “These churches need to be hiring trained professionals. They need to hire law enforcement or private security forces that do have that training. I have problems with just the average parishioner that says I have a gun and I will come protect the church. When people have a gun in their pocket they are emboldened to do things that they would not ordinarily do. At our church we hire police officers. They are trained to try to settle the situation before the use of deadly force. I understand what you are trying to do and that we are living in a different time and age, but I am not convinced that this is the remedy.”

State Representative John Knight (D-Montgomery) said, “I don’t think you should be giving immunity to people without background checks who might have mental problems. Some churches are also voting places. Your giving immunity to people who have not had any training or background checks. I wish you would think about this.”

House Minority Leader Anthony Daniels (D-Huntsville) asked, “What if you have an armed security team and there were some kids stealing some copper.”

Rep. Greer said that if I was stealing some copper at I was facing an armed security team I think I would drop it. If they didn’t then they would have every right to gun them down.”

Rep. Greer said, “We are not trying to pass a law requiring a church to create a security force.” “If a church wants to have a security team I want to support their right to have a security team.”

Rep. Daniels said, “Creating armed militias everywhere won’t make the world any safer. I am a huge gun supporter, but I don’t think we are going to make this country any safer by arming everyone. I understand what you are trying to do but I think we should be cautious in how we do it.”

State Representative Randall Shedd (R-Fairview) said, “I know that you are sincere in bringing this legislation. The churches in my district are telling me that they do not want the state in their business. That is why I am voting against this bill.”

HB36 passed 63 to 33.

The bill now moves on to the Senate.


Brandon Moseley is a senior reporter with eight and a half years at Alabama Political Reporter. You can email him at [email protected] or follow him on Facebook. Brandon is a native of Moody, Alabama, a graduate of Auburn University, and a seventh generation Alabamian.


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Tuberville calls for term limits, balanced budget and lobbying reform

Tuberville has also made a major media buy across the state to trumpet this message.

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Republican Senate candidate Tommy Tuberville (TUBERVILLE CAMPAIGN)

Senate candidate Tommy Tuberville’s campaign began emphasizing key structural reforms that the Republican nominee hopes to advance if elected to the U.S. Senate including congressional term limits, withholding lawmakers’ paychecks unless a balanced budget is passed and a ban on former officials becoming lobbyists.

“Only an outsider like me can help President Trump drain the Swamp, and any of the proposals outlined in this ad will begin the process of pulling the plug,” Tuberville said in a statement. “Doug Jones has had his chance, and he failed our state, so now it’s time to elect a senator who will work to fundamentally change the way that Washington operates.”

Tuberville has also made a major media buy across the state to trumpet this message.

“You know Washington politicians could learn a lot from the folks in small town Alabama, but Doug Jones … he’s too liberal to teach them,” Tuberville added.

Polls consistently show that term limits are popular with people across both political parties, but the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that imposing term limits would be adding a qualification to be a member of Congress and that can only be done by constitutional amendment.

It is an unspoken truth that when Americans send someone to Congress they never come back. They either keep getting re-elected like Alabama’s own Sen. Richard Shelby, who is in his sixth term in the Senate after four terms in the U.S. House of Representatives. On the other hand, they may become lobbyists getting paid to influence their colleagues on behalf of corporations, foreign governments or some well funded non-government organization.


Tuberville said he would ban that practice.

A balanced budget amendment almost passed in the 1980s and again in the 1990s.

Since that failure, Congress has increasingly passed bigger and bigger budget deficits. The U.S. government borrowed more money during the eight years of President George W. Bush’s presidency than the government had borrowed in the first 224 years of the country combined.

President Barack Obama followed and the TARP program propped up the post-Great Recession economy. Rather than cutting the deficit, President Donald Trump invested billions in the military and a tax cut without cutting domestic spending. The 2020 coronavirus crisis has further grown the budget.

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The government has borrowed trillions to prop up the economy and provide stimulus while investing billions into medical research and treating the virus victims. Congress is currently debating a fifth stimulus package that would add more to the deficit.

Both a balanced budget amendment and a term limits amendment would have to be ratified by the states if passed by Congress. Tuberville is challenging incumbent Sen. Doug Jones, D-Alabama.

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House passes General Fund Budget

Brandon Moseley



By Brandon Moseley
Alabama Political Reporter

The Alabama House of Representatives passed the state General Fund Budget on Tuesday.

The General Fund Budget for the 2019 fiscal year is Senate Bill 178. It is sponsored by Sen. Trip Pittman, R-Montrose. State Rep. Steve Clouse, R-Ozark, carried the budget on the House floor. Clouse chairs the House Ways and Means General Fund Committee.

Clouse said, “Last year we monetized the BP settlement money and held over $97 million to this year.”

Clouse said that the state is still trying to come up with a solution to the federal lawsuit over the state prisons. The Governor’s Office has made some progress after she took over from Gov. Robert Bentley. The supplemental we just passed added $30 million to prisons.

The budget adds $50 million to the Department of Corrections.


Clouse said that the budget increased the money for prisons by $55,680,000 and includes $4.8 million to buy the privately-owned prison facility in Perry County.

Clouse said that the budget raises funding for the judicial system and raises the appropriation for the Forensic Sciences to $11.7 million.

The House passed a committee substitute so the Senate is either going to have to concur with the changes made by the House or a conference committee will have to be appointed. Clouse told reporters that he hoped that it did not have to go to conference.

Clouse said that the budget had added $860,000 to hire more Juvenile Probation Officers. After talking to officials with the court system that was cut in half in the amendment. The amendment also includes some wording the arbiters in the court lawsuit think we need.

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The state General Fund Budget, SB178, passed 98-1.

Both budgets have now passed the Alabama House of Representatives.

The 2019 fiscal year begins on Oct. 1, 2018.

In addition to the SGF, the House also passed a supplemental appropriation for the current 2018 budget year. SB175 is also sponsored by Pittman and was carried by Clouse on the floor of the House.

SB175 includes $30 million in additional 2018 money for the Department of Corrections. The Departmental Emergency Fund, the Examiners of Public Accounts, the Insurance Department and Forensic Sciences received additional money.

Clouse said, “We knew dealing with the federal lawsuit was going to be expensive. We are adding $80 million to the Department of Corrections.”

State Representative Johnny Mack Morrow, R-Red Bay, said that state Department of Forensics was cut from $14 million to $9 million. “Why are we adding money for DA and courts if we don’t have money for forensics to provide evidence? if there is any agency in law enforcement or the court system that should be funded it is Forensics.”

The supplemental 2018 appropriation passed 80 to 1.

The House also passed SB203. It was sponsored by Pittman and was carried in the House by State Rep. Ken Johnson, R-Moulton. It raises securities and registration fees for agents and investment advisors. It increases the filing fees for certain management investment companies. Johnson said that those fees had not been adjusted since 2009.

The House also passed SB176, which is an annual appropriation for the Coalition Against Domestic Violence. The bill requires that the agency have an operations plan, audited financial statement, and quarterly and end of year reports. SB176 is sponsored by Pittman and was carried on the House floor by State Rep. Elaine Beech, D-Chatham.

The House passed Senate Bill 185 which gives state employees a cost of living increase in the 2019 budget beginning on October 1. It was sponsored by Sen. Clyde Chambliss, R-Prattville and was being carried on the House floor by state Rep. Dimitri Polizos, R-Montgomery.

Polizos said that this was the first raise for non-education state employees in nine years. It is a 3 percent raise.

SB185 passed 101-0.

Senate Bill 215 gives retired state employees a one time bonus check. SB215 is sponsored by Senator Gerald Dial, R-Lineville, and was carried on the House floor by state Rep. Kerry Rich, R-Guntersville.

Rich said that retired employees will get a bonus $1  for every month that they worked for the state. For employees who retired with 25 years of service that will be a $300 one time bonus. A 20-year retiree would get $240 and a 35-year employee would get $420.

SB215 passed the House 87-0.

The House passed Senate Bill 231, which is the appropriation bill increase amount to the Emergency Forest Fire and Insect and Disease Fund. SB231 is sponsored by Sen. Steve Livingston, R-Scottsboro, and was carried on the House floor by state Rep. Kyle South, R-Fayette.

State Rep. Elaine Beech, D-Chathom, said, “Thank you for bringing this bill my district is full of trees and you never know when a forest fire will hit.

SB231 passed 87-2.

The state of Alabama is unique among the states in that most of the money is earmarked for specific purposes allowing the Legislature little year-to-year flexibility in moving funds around.

The SGF includes appropriations for the Alabama Medicaid Agency, the courts, the Alabama Law Enforcement Agency, the Alabama Department of Corrections, mental health, and most state agencies that are no education related. The Alabama Department of Transportation gets their funding mostly from state fuel taxes.

The Legislature also gives ALEA a portion of the gas taxes. K-12 education, the two year college system, and all the universities get their state support from the education trust fund (ETF) budget. There are also billions of dollars in revenue that are earmarked for a variety of purposes that does not show up in the SGF or ETF budgets.

Examples of that include the Public Service Commission, which collects utility taxes from the industries that it regulates. The PSC is supported entirely by its own revenue streams and contributes $13 million to the SGF. The Secretary of State’s Office is entirely funded by its corporate filing and other fees and gets no SGF appropriation.

Clouse warned reporters that part of the reason this budget had so much money was due to the BP oil spill settlement that provided money for the 2018 budget and $97 million for the 2019 budget. Clouse said they elected to make a $13 million repayment to the Alabama Trust fund that was not due until 2020 but that is all that was held over for 2020.

Clouse predicted that the Legislature will have to make some hard decisions about revenue in next year’s session.


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Day Care bill delayed for second time on Senate floor, may be back Thursday

Sam Mattison



By Samuel Mattison
Alabama Political Reporter

The day care bill, which would license certain day care centers in Alabama, was once again delayed on the state Senate floor after one lawmaker requested more information.

Its brief appearance Tuesday ended with state Sen. Gerald Dial, R-Lineville, saying a compromise had not yet been worked out with the bill’s detractors.

Alabama’s Senate has been hesitant to act on the legislation because of complaints of state Sen. Shay Shelnutt, R-Trussville, who has been an opponent of the bill since its introduction last year. The bill’s delay on Tuesday marks the second time its been taken off the Senate’s agenda.

The bill has had a rocky time in this year’s session, but the bill’s sponsor state Rep. Pebblin Warren, D-Tuskegee, said she is still confident about its passage out of the Legislature.

Warren, D-Tuskegee, filed the bill this session with the support of influential lawmakers including Gov. Kay Ivey, who told reporters last year that she though all day cares should be licensed.


Mainly sparked by the death of 5-year-old boy in the care of a unlicensed day care worker, the bill had great momentum coming into this year’ session.

Despite the growing support from lawmakers, Religious groups had concerns that the bill would increase state-sponsored reach into religious day cares in churches and non-profit groups.

Spearheading the dissenters was Alabama Citizens Action Program, a conservative religious-based PAC.

Warren, proponents, and ALCAP announced a compromise to the bill while it was still in the Alabama House.

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Announced by ALCAP originally, the new bill was a weaker version in that it did not require that all day cares in the state be regulated. Instead, religious-based day cares would only need to be registered if they received federal funds. At a Senate committee meeting in February, Warren said a similar requirement was about to come from federal law in Congress.

The bill moved through the House in a overwhelming vote in favor of the proposal and passed unanimously out of a Senate committee a few weeks ago.

Warren, speaking to reporters after its passage from the House, said she was unsure if the bill would encounter resistance in the upper chamber.

It was the Senate that killed the daycare bill last year amid a cramped last day where senators took the bill off the floor. The bill may face similar complications this year, as lawmakers seem to be preparing to adjourn within a few weeks.

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Fantasy sports bill fails on Senate floor

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By Samuel Mattison
Alabama Political Reporter

Would-be Fantasy Sports players in Alabama will have to wait to legally play in the state following a Senate vote on Tuesday.

The Alabama Senate decisively killed a bill to exempt fantasy sports from the state’s prohibition on gambling.

Not even entertaining a debate on the Senate floor, the proposal was killed during a vote for the Budget Isolation Resolution, which is usually a formality vote preluding a debate.

Fantasy sports are contests where participants select players from real teams to compete on fantasy teams using the real-world players’ stats.

Since 2016, the practice has been illegal in Alabama following a legal decision by the Attorney General’s Office that categorized it as gambling.


The bill’s sponsor, state Sen. Paul Sanford, R-Huntsville, predicted the bill’s failure during a committee meeting two weeks ago, where the bill passed unanimously.

Sen. Paul Sanford speaks to reporters after a Senate Committee meeting on Feb. 28, 2018. (Samuel Mattison/APR)

Speaking to reporter’s after the committee meeting, Sanford said the decision to file the bill was mainly a philosophical belief that the practice shouldn’t be illegal.

Sanford, a fantasy sports player before its ban, said that fantasy sports are a way to bring people closer together and not a means to win money. The Huntsville senator is not seeking re-election.

The bill’s failure in the Senate follows its trajectory last year too. A similar version of the bill, also sponsored by Sanford, failed in the Senate during the final days of the 2017 Legislative Session.

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Since Sanford is retiring, it is unclear if the bill will even come back next session, or if it will even have a Senate sponsor.

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