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Interview, Part 2: Representative Ed Henry on Taxes, Shrinking Government, and Prisons

Bill Britt



By Bill Britt
Alabama Political Reporter

APR: I have been studying prisons quite a bit and I have a better understanding than I did a few months ago. We are in another predicament there where we want to keep people in jail and we want to be tough on crime but we have got to let somebody out of jail or get some type of alternative program because we are not willing to spend money to build more jails.

HENRY: Exactly and I am not going to raise taxes.

APR: You bring up an issue and this has always bothered me, when we hear people make pledges that they are not going to raise taxes. Then the first thing we see is someone like Henry Mabry when he said that we need to increase revenue, he said that we need raise it by a sin tax. That is still raising taxes in my book.

ed_henryHENRY: It is. All of those are taxes. Right now the AEA line is “close corporate loopholes.” And they are wanting to do it [raise taxes ]on Lowe’s, Walmart, Home Depot. The line that I heard today was, “Well, they’re not going anywhere. Raise their taxes.” It is almost extortion. “We know you are not going to leave so we have got you.” But who ends up paying that tax? The citizen that goes in there to buy the product because all of those entities are going to roll the tax into their price.

Anytime an entity says that they are going to charge a corporation, they are going to slice and dice, you know that is how government works, they isolate this group and say, “Well we are going to tax them but we are not going to tax you. You don’t have to worry about it. We are only taxing those guys. Well, those guys can’t muster enough support to fight off attacks but then when it comes around at some point they will isolate all of us to do whatever they want.

So for that matter I am just absolutely opposed to growing government any more. I want to shrink it. I want to get rid of duplication.

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APR: One of the things that we have been trying  do is to look at the various budgets with a pencil, just like we would our household budget and say, “Can we afford this and can we afford that?” Is there ever any kind of sensible approach that might occur with the state’s budget?

HENRY: No. Not like that. Not to that degree. It is never that straightforward. We don’t get a full breakdown. We just kind of get the big picture.

I got aggravated two days ago when I tried to find out what the tobacco tax breakdown is. All they would give me was, “It’s $137 million annually that we bring in and that it goes out to certain entities. Well, I wanted to know how it was earmarked. I want to know when that $137 million comes in, what goes where and what percentage? I had to get forceful and basically threaten to cut budgets. I said, “Look, I have to vote on your budget. If you can’t give me answers then I have to assume that your office is obsolete.”


APR: That is a good way of putting it.

HENRY: Well, what else am I supposed to do. “Well, sir, it is just not available to the public.” Well I am not the public but it should be [available to the public].

I got it and what I found was basically 60 percent of the taxes raised on tobacco goes to Medicaid, which I think is a good thing really. I think 100 percent of it should go to some type of healthcare.

APR: Right. The public has been led to believe that is what it is going to.

HENRY: But is doesn’t. It goes to parks, it goes to mental health and then a large portion of it goes into the General Fund to be eaten by everything. Some 61 percent but it is probably closer to 50 percent because there is some stuff that comes out of that 61 percent, you know, all of that fuzzy math that happens in government. About $70 million annually goes back into Medicaid. The other $60 million is split up throughout the General Fund.

But it was aggravating that they wouldn’t tell me that. Here are these government bureaucrats that are supposed to be working for the people but they don’t want to share information with the people.

My biggest disappointment has been how strong the bureaucracy of government really is. A couple of us were told when we got to the State House, and we were talking about reducing staff, and reducing this and reducing that. A person that has been there a long time, he chuckled and he said, “Y’all can try to do all of this but I have seen a lot of y’all come and go.” And there is some truth to that. The government is the strongest special interest group that lobbies in Montgomery. That is crazy. Here they are working the system for themselves.

APR: I know there is a lot of duplication and these offices are so entrenched you can’t do anything to get rid of it.

HENRY: Almost. Virtually impossible. Each one of these duplicated departments is going to have a department head. They are going to have a massive staff underneath them. In order to consolidate those divisions, people are going to have to get laid off.  And it is virtually impossible to downsize government even though everybody knows it needs to be done.

I’m hopeful. I am hopeful that we are going to tackle some of that this year.

APR: It’s just institutionalized error. You know what I mean?

HENRY: Senator Del Marsh with the help of  a group of students from Auburn University.Have identified graphically the series of duplication within our state government and our intent is to downsize and remove some of these duplications.

APR: Well, he is a very smart businessman and a very smart man in general. He certainly has the intelligence to do that it’s just can he rally the troops to do that?

HENRY: That’s exactly right. There are a few of us that are hardcore that are with him. I will be willing to go to the mat for downsizing government. That was one of the main things that I ran on. The fact that our government had become such a beast that it had begun to feed itself and we had better get under control or we were going to lose it.

APR: Well, that is why I believe, at least people like Susan and me, that fought hard to make sure there were conservatives in the government. We believe that if we don’t get control of this government, somehow, that it is a threat to our freedom and the American dream. I mean the state government is the only place that we have control anymore. We don’t have any control over Washington.

HENRY: That’s right. I campaigned on that too. I said, “We can only affect things that happen in Alabama and Alabama has to be able to stand up and draw a line in the sand and say, ‘This is us. The federal government can not come into our state and do x, y, z,'”

APR: Well, that is one of the big fears about this prison deal because if we hit 200 percent the federal government will come in and mandate what we have to do. And there won’t be any saying, “We can’t pay for it.” And Mr. Mabry saying, “Well, you can’t have my money.” We are going to have to take somebody’s money.

HENRY: That’s it exactly. I am not looking forward to what is going to come down with that. The only way I see out of that is to look at alternitive sentencing and let people out of jail which is not going to make the public happy.

APR: Susan helped start some of these homes for women were non-violent offenders. You know, you’ve always got problems, but they were able to take 20 or 30 women over a year’s period and get them some job training and get them to work. Very few of them went back to jail. But it is being selective. There are a lot more criminals than there are people that can be helped because we are dealing with human nature. You are not going to change human nature.

HENRY: But there are a lot of people out there, where if there is an opportunity they will turn it around and change. I don’t think our current prison system really gives them that option. It’s a mess, that’s for sure. Just about like everything else the government touches.

APR: Well, if it’s not a mess now, give it to the government and it will be. You’re like me, we don’t have trust in the government but you are working in it and I am working in it too because we want to see it be better.

HENRY: There is a line in the State Constitution, and I think it may be Section 35–but I can’t remember–but it defines the role of government in Alabama and it say that the sole purpose and only legitimate end to government is for to provide the enjoyment and protection of life, liberty, and property. Anything else is usurpation and oppression. That is in our State Constitution.

I have been fighting with people wanting home-rule and to re-write the State Constitution. What do you think the odds of a statement like that getting into a new constitution are?

APR: Sadly, pretty slim, I would think.

HENRY: I would think so too. And while we have diverted away from that over the years, as long as it is still in there is a hope that we could get back to that small of a government.

In our next conversation with Rep. Henry, he speaks more about downsizing government, opportunities for the future and his hopes for the up coming session. 

Bill Britt is editor-in-chief at the Alabama Political Reporter and host of The Voice of Alabama Politics. You can email him at [email protected] or follow him on Twitter.



Governor declares state of emergency ahead of Tropical Storm Zeta

Zeta is currently a tropical storm over the Gulf of Mexico, but it is predicted to make landfall as a category one hurricane.

Brandon Moseley



A satellite image of Tropical Storm Zeta. (VIA NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE)

Alabama Gov. Kay Ivey on Tuesday issued a state of emergency as Tropical Storm Zeta approaches the Gulf Coast.

“Ahead of Tropical Storm Zeta’s anticipated landfall Wednesday evening as a Category 1 hurricane, I am issuing a state of emergency effective today at 4:00 p.m.,” Ivey said. “While this storm is not expected to have an impact as large as storms we’ve seen move through the Gulf earlier this year, we want to be in the best place possible to respond to anticipated rain, storm surge and mass power outage. I encourage everyone to remain weather aware and tuned in to their trusted news source as this storm could shift direction or change intensity. We continue to track the path of this storm and will stay in touch with the people of Alabama with any updates.”

Zeta is currently a tropical storm over the Gulf of Mexico, but it is predicted to make landfall as a category one hurricane. The National Hurricane Center is predicting Zeta to make landfall in Mississippi on Wednesday and then proceed toward Alabama, but these storms can and do move.

A more easterly track could prove devastating to the Alabama Gulf Coast as was the case with Hurricane Sally, which shifted course in September, hitting Alabama, though Zeta is expected to be weaker than Sally at landfall.

The storm surge from the Mississippi-Alabama border to Dauphin Island is forecast to be 5 to 8 feet. Mobile Bay to the Alabama-Florida border is expected to have 3 to 5 feet of storm surge and from the border to Navarre, Florida, could experience 2 to 4 feet of storm surge.

Hurricane force winds are a possibility with this storm. Tropical force winds are expected to be an issue for Southern Mississippi and Alabama well inland. There is expected to be heavy rainfall across the state Wednesday night into Thursday morning.

The Baldwin County Emergency Management Agency announced that sandbags are available inside the county commission office at Robertsdale Central Annex (22251 Palmer Street) until 4:30 p.m. Tuesday and from 8 a.m. until 4:30 p.m. Wednesday or while they last.

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Bring any help and shovels you will need. There is a limit of just 25 bags per person. Alabama’s coastal counties are currently under a Tropical Storm Warning, a Storm Surge Warning for Mobile County and a High Rip Current and High Surf Warning.

Congressman Bradley Byrne said, “I just finished up briefings from Alabama EMA, FEMA, and the National Hurricane Center regarding #Zeta. We should not take this storm lightly and should start making preparations right away. After sundown Wednesday, I’d encourage everyone in Southwest Alabama to stay home and off the roads until sunrise Thursday. This storm will have impacts as far north as Montgomery, so those in Washington, Clarke, and Monroe counties will see tropical storm force winds and heavy rain. I’d encourage everyone to charge their phones and other necessary electronics. If you have an emergency during the storm, call 911 and do not try to drive.”

Coastal Alabama is still in the process of recovering from Hurricane Sally which hit the state on Sept. 15.


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Alabama’s COVID-19 hospitalizations surpass 1,000 for first time since August

The 1,001 patients in hospitals with COVID-19 on Tuesday is a 34 percent increase from a month ago.

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Hospitalizations of COVID-19 patients in Alabama on Monday crossed the 1,000 mark for the first time since Aug. 31 — a sign that Alabama may be headed for another peak in hospitalizations as the state prepares for winter and flu season.

The 1,001 patients in hospitals with COVID-19 on Tuesday is a 34 percent increase from a month ago, and the seven-day average of COVID-19 hospitalizations by day Tuesday was 917, a 21 percent increase from Sept. 27.

“Unfortunately, not surprised but frankly, depressed by our trends,” said Dr. Don Williamson, president of the Alabama Hospital Association and Alabama’s former state health officer, speaking to APR on Tuesday. 

Work is under way to help hospitals prepare for another surge, ensuring there’s enough of therapies like Remdesivir, ventilators and personal protective equipment are in place, Williamson said. 

Alabama on Monday had just 16 percent of the state’s ICU beds available, and since the start of the pandemic, with a few exceptions, Alabama hospitals have had less than 20 percent ICU availability, Williamson said. During the state’s last peak in mid-July, coronavirus patients were using 445 ICU beds, he said, and by Sept, 20 that had dropped to 274, where it hovered ever since.

On Monday, 292 COVID-19 patients were in ICUs, Williamson said.

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Williamson said at the state’s worst point during July, Alabama had just 109 ICU beds available but that “the problem wasn’t beds. It was staff.” Without staff to care for the patients, empty ICU beds would do a patient no good. 

A nurse can typically care for up to six patients, but only three or four COVID-19 patients, who require extra care, Williamson said. And there’s concern that fatigue among hospital staff will again become a challenge. 

“You’re seeing it nationally now, in folks who are going through this second wave. Staff are just exhausted because they’ve seen it before. They know how somehow this is going to turn out for a significant number of patients,” Williamson said.  “And part of it is just the incredible frustration that a lot of this was preventable. 


As treatment options and the knowledge of how to better care for COVID-19 patients have improved, fewer coronavirus patients are taking up those ICU beds, but they’ve been replaced with people who come to hospitals sicker than before the pandemic.

Williamson said many of them may have put off going to the hospital during the state’s surge, and as a result, find themselves sicker than they would have otherwise been. 

Alabama’s hospitalizations began dropping in the weeks after Gov. Kay Ivey issued a statewide mask order in July, which she has extended twice, but after dipping down as low 703 on Sept. 25, hospitalizations have been rising. 

Williamson said looking at the rate of increase in recent weeks, he predicts the state could again see daily hospitalizations of 1,500 as in July, and said while current hospitalizations for seasonal flu patients are in the single digits, there’s concern that as flu season continues the combination of flu and COVID-19 patients will strain hospital staffing resources and bed space statewide. 

Williamson said from personal observation he is seeing more people not wearing masks, or wearing them improperly, and said the state could dramatically reduce the risk of COVID-19 if the public regularly wore masks and wore them properly.

“The period between Thanksgiving and the first of the year could be really, really problematic, given what we’re now seeing with COVID,” Williamson said. 

Alabama added 1,115 new confirmed and probable coronavirus cases on Tuesday, and the 14-day average of new daily cases hit 1,375. Over the last two weeks, the state added 19,244 cases, although 3,747 were older test results from labs that weren’t properly reporting to the Alabama Department of Public Health.

Alabama’s 14-day positivity rate is at nearly 21 percent, although those older test results skewed the figure higher than it otherwise would have been. Just prior to those older cases being added to the count, however, Alabama’s 14-day average of percent positivity was 15 percent. Public health experts say it needs to be at or below 5 percent of cases are going undetected. 

ADPH reported 26 COVID-19 deaths on Tuesday. Over the last four weeks, ADPH added 391 coronavirus deaths to the state’s total, which stood at 2,892 on Tuesday.

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Agriculture Department providing shelters for livestock evacuating due to Zeta

The Alabama A&M Agribition Center will open effective immediately for livestock that is being evacuated.

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In response to Tropical Storm Zeta, the Alabama Department of Agriculture and Industries has been in contact with partners to provide a temporary sheltering facility for evacuated livestock including horses and cattle.

Animals moving in response to Tropical Storm Zeta will be exempt from a certificate of veterinary inspection.

The Alabama A&M Agribition Center (4925 Moore’s Mill Rd, Huntsville, AL 35811) will open effective immediately for livestock that is being evacuated. The shelter is only equipped to shelter livestock, not pets or companion animals such as dogs or cats.

This facility will be available on a first-come, first-serve basis. To contact the A&M Agribition Center call 256-689-0274. Evacuees will need to bring their own shavings, water buckets, feed, etc.

When evacuating, it is important for livestock owners to be prepared to care for their animals while they are away. Please be sure to bring the following items with you: a current list of all animals, including their records of feeding, vaccinations and tests.

Make sure that you have proof of ownership for all animals. Supplies for temporary identification of your animals, such as plastic neckbands and permanent markers to label your animals with your name, address and telephone number. Handling equipment such as halters and appropriate tools for each kind of animal. Water, feed and buckets as well as tools and supplies needed for sanitation.

For questions or concerns about sheltering livestock during a tropical storm evacuation, please contact ADAI Emergency Programs at 334-240-7279 or by email. The Alabama Cooperative Extension Service has also prepared an article on how to prepare to evacuate a farm.

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There are more than 1.3 million head of cattle and calves on Alabama farms, according to figures released by the Alabama Agriculture Statistics Service. The cattle herd represents an enormous investment for Alabama farm families and is valued at approximately $2.4 billion.

Alabama has nearly 100,000 horses with a total value of over $500 million. Alabama has 57,000 hogs with annual production of $21.4 million a year. Alabama has more than 40,000 sheep and goats.

Farms in Mobile, Baldwin and Escambia counties were hit hard by Hurricane Sally and repairs to barns and fences from that storm are still ongoing.


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Prosecution accepts misdemeanor plea in high-profile environmental administrator’s case 

The plea deal came shortly before Jefferson County Circuit Court Judge Stephen C. Wallace was to hear arguments on selective and vindictive prosecution.

Bill Britt




Almost two years ago, Trump administration EPA Region 4 Administrator Onis “Trey” Glenn III was charged with more than a dozen state felony ethics violations. On Monday, he pleaded guilty to three misdemeanor charges after reaching a plea agreement with the prosecution.

The plea deal came shortly before Jefferson County Circuit Court Judge Stephen C. Wallace was to hear arguments on selective and vindictive prosecution.

According to a statement from the Ethics Commission at the time, Glenn, along with former Alabama Environmental Management Commissioner Scott Phillips, was charged after a Jefferson County grand jury returned indictments against the two on Nov. 9, 2018, according to a statement from the Ethics Commission.

Rather than moving forward with the case, prosecutors dropped the felony charges against Glenn. They opted to reach an agreement to accept a plea on three counts of “unintentional” violations of the ethics code. Glenn received a two-year suspended sentence for his actions.

“In the interest of efficiency, we were pleased to take advantage of the opportunity to resolve this matter,” Glenn’s attorney Matt Hart told APR when reached for comment. “My client pleaded to unintentional, misdemeanor violations of the ethics law, and the matter is concluded.”

Questions surround the prosecution’s decision to settle the case for a confession to minor offensives in such a high profile case. Still, from the beginning, the case was marred by allegations that the Alabama Ethics Commission’s lawyers had mishandled the investigation and indictments.

Indictments against Glenn and Phillips were reported by even before the pair was arrested or served with the indictments. In’s report, Ethics Commission Executive Director Tom Albritton said that then-Jefferson County District Attorney Mike Anderton had requested the Ethics Commission help indict the two men.

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As first reported by APR, shortly after Glenn and Phillips’ indictments, Albritton and his team’s actions raised serious questions about the process that led to charges against the two men. APR reported that Albritton and Ethics Commission lawyer Cynthia Propst Raulston approached Anderton, and he did not request help with the case from the commission, as was reported in

Later, APR confirmed that the Ethics Commission approached Anderton, contradicting Albritton’s public statement. In a sworn statement given on Feb. 9, 2019, Anderton said it was Ethics Commission lawyers who approached him, as first reported by APR in November of last year.

According to Anderton, in the fall of 2018, Propst Raulston approached him because “she had a case she wanted to present to the Jefferson County Grand Jury.”


He further states, “I told Ms. Raulston that I would facilitate her appearance before the grand jury but that my office did not have the resources to support her case. I also told her that she would have to prosecute the case herself.”

These and other aberrations came into sharper focus when Hart — the state’s most famous prosecutor of his generation turned defense attorney — began diving into the particulars of the prosecution’s case.

Glenn’s defense argued from the start that procedural process was circumvented when Albritton and Propst Raulston took the complaint directly to a grand jury rather than the Ethics Commission as prescribed by the Legislature.

An ethics commissioner told APR privately that the commission was never informed about a complaint against the two men, nor was the investigation.

According to internal sources, actions taken by Albritton and Propst Raulston created turmoil at the commission and raised a question about who would prosecute the case on the state’s behalf.

During the process, Albritton, Propst Raulston, and other attorneys for the commission asked the attorney general’s office to take over the case; however, according to sources within the office, the AG turned them down after a review found “statutory problems” with how the case against Glenn and Phillips was handled.

In a motion to dismiss, the defense said, “In sum, the Ethics Commission Staff trampled Mr. Glenn’s rights in obtaining the indictment without giving him his required notice and an opportunity to be heard as required by the Alabama Ethics Act, and then after indictment denied him notice as guaranteed by the Grand Jury Secrecy Act and failed to protect his presumption of innocence as required by the Rules of Professional Conduct.”

While not explicitly noted in the motion to dismiss, the relationship between environmental group GASP and the prosecution was a subject that would have been heard in the hearing on selective and vindictive prosecution.

Immediately following Glenn and Phillips’ indictment, GASP posted a celebratory tweet, even taking credit for the indictment.

Former GASP director Stacie Propst is the sister of Ethics Commission lawyer Propst Raulston who presented the case to the Jefferson County grand jury.

While many in the environmental community celebrated Glenn’s indictment, the defense argued the prosecution took an illegal short cut to indict him, which denied Glenn due process and amounted to selective and vindictive prosecution.

Monday’s plea agreement ended the two-year drama without further exposure as to what happened behind the scene. Phillips’s case is still pending.

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